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Monday, 6 July 2009
Paleo Vegan Monkey Food Thoughts


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just finished up a month as a vegan. More important than just cutting out meat, my little experiment required me to knock off the cheddar cheese, sour cream, ice cream, butter, milk chocolate, and nacho cheese Doritos. I feel FANTASTIC! I was really hoping I'd feel like dog poo, because then I could say, well see, it doesn't matter what I eat. But no, I'm all lean, energetic and happy, my skin is glowing and I'm sleeping like a lump. Damn it!! Cursed healthy monkey food and all the annoying feel-goodiness...

I went to the doctor to get lab work done today. I'm curious what, if anything, a month of no animal products has done to me. I would like to say that following my fasting bloodwork I didn't drive straight to Jack Stack Barbecue for a slab of ribs, but I totally did that!! OMG! I don't even know what to do with me! Plant eaters will be appalled and the paleo/primal eaters will be jumping up and down. The rib craving started this weekend when, with my judgement clouded by barbecue smoke, I began plotting a yard ninja operation to steal my neighbor's 4th of July ribs out of his smoker. Luckily, I managed to contain myself until I had the blood drawn for the vegan experiment. I don't have the results yet but I'm ultra curious.

I've developed a baffling new interest primal eating and paleo diets. I blame whoever sent me to Mark's Daily Apple a few weeks ago. I totally love that blog! I went over there initially to see what mean things he might have to say about vegans. Much to my surprise, he was smart and funny and I agreed with nearly everything he said.  I was stunned by the number of vegans lurking over there. And I got the biggest kick out of some of his posts like Escape from Vegan Island where he got carted off to McDougall camp, and Spoutin' Off on Veganism (Again) where he explains the obvious pitfalls of living on soft drinks, soy pizzas, wheat crackers and Rice-a-Roni.

Here is what struck me. These modern cavemen who eat mostly vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and meat are actually quite similar to vegans who eat mostly vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and beans. In caveman terms, the vegans are just bad hunters. I think that people tend to stereotype one side or the other and miss the common ground. Not all meat eaters consume a junky, unhealthy Western diet. Not all vegans live on sugar, processed carbs, and soy burgers. In fact, comparing some of the primal and vegan menus I've seen, they're pretty much identical up until dinner time when the caveman might club something over the head and add it to his pile of salad greens. Both sides are concerned about the food supply and the environment. Both sides buy organic, support local agriculture, despise factory farms, etc., etc.. As an outside observer, I found that interesting.

What does it mean for me? I don't know. Now that I've satisfied my lunatic barbecue urge, I think it's right back to plant food. I like it. I feel great. I have fun. Meat or no meat, I think my consumption of cheese and sour cream was out of control and needed reducing. I've broken up with Ben & Jerry. Still, I'm not calling any food off limits or declaring myself a follower of any diet. The more freedom I give myself, the better my choices become and the more I enjoy healthy eating. Nobody could have forced me to follow a vegan diet for a month. I could never have done it as a weight loss scheme, scare tactic, or guilt trip, but left to my own devices and free to make my own choices, it was totally fun. My new mantra is, "I eat whatever I want." And I actually say that to myself A LOT. The more I say it, the happier it makes me and the better I eat. Weird, eh?


Posted by skwigg at 2:10 PM CDT
Updated: Monday, 6 July 2009 2:10 PM CDT

Monday, 6 July 2009 - 2:20 PM CDT

Name: "Leslie"

so - my question for you then, is:  is your husband supportive of your new dietary changes?  Does he eat what you eat?  Or is he gobbling down 1/2 lb burgers & buckets of fries when you go out while you're picking at some lettuce?

I'm asking because I've recently been leaning toward more plant based meals & have found it VERY challenging to stick to a healthy plant based diet when my husband absolutely must have chips, beer, queso & the fattiest steak for dinner more often than not.

I'd love to hear your comments!

 

Monday, 6 July 2009 - 2:40 PM CDT

Name: skwigg
Home Page: http://skwigg.tripod.com

My husband is a basically healthy eater and a much better cook than I am. So, there really isn't any conflict. We both eat gobs of plants, enjoy our junk food in small portions, and eat out less than once a week. He didn't have any interest in a vegan diet but he didn't give me too much grief about it, only some mild eye-rolling. :-) He's generally supportive of whatever loopy thing I want to do. I generally don't care what he eats and am not responsible for feeding him. (See, it's a good thing I don't have children!!) So, he didn't have to eat hummus for dinner and I wasn't offended by his steaks.

Monday, 6 July 2009 - 6:11 PM CDT

Name: "Glynis"
Home Page: http://glynis-sweats.blogspot.com

That's pretty much the way I eat, 85% of the time, I just didn't know it had a name.  I say 85% of the time because I *have* to have my Greek yogurt....and a smatteriing of cheese here and there.  I avoid wheat and stick to brown rice, quinoa, sweet potatoes, gluten-free oatmeal for my starchy carbs. Sometimes I can't resist ice cream -- so I don't.  I can't eat tree nuts or fish, so those are out of the picture... hey, maybe that justifies the ice cream & Greek yogurt? :)

 My last blood work was beyond stellar - my total cholesterol was 113.  My HDL was 50.  LDL and triglycerides were laughable.   My doctor always says he wishes all his patients were doing whatever it is that I do. 

Monday, 6 July 2009 - 9:13 PM CDT

Name: "Sara"

I'm a vegan lurker over there, for sure. The posts on vegan diets kind of annoy me, because he seems to miss the point that most vegans aren't doing it for health; they're doing it for ethics. I have many friends that don't care at all about their health--they didn't when they were omnivores, and they don't now that they're vegan. I care about health, and I'm vegan--but the two are separate for me. Most of the health vegans I have met did not stay vegan in the long run (more than a few years), and I agree that it's not a choice one should make for health.

Anyway, I'm glad you're a bridge for the two groups! I agree, whole foods eaters are whole foods eaters, vegan or not. And there's more we have IN common than not.

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 4:22 AM CDT

Name: "HeartofGlass"

I was really annoyed that he used the example of some vegans stuffing themselves with sweets as representative of vegan diets, and one unhealthy female triathlete.  For all he knew, she could be a cancer survivor getting back her health.  It's impossible to decide the validity of a diet because one or two people who say they follow it look good or bad--I could point to someone who doesn't work out and snarfs down bunless fast food burgers as an example of how Atkins 'doesn't work' and Martina Natrilova playing competitive doubles in her 50s as an example of how vegetarianism is the way to go.

 

I also think that lots of pro-protien people who call themselves 'paleo' dieters don't recognize what skwigg seems to have done, intuitively or not--most of the time, people didn't have access to animal protien.  I've talked to people who had relatives or were piss poor in Southern Europe, and normally they lived on weeds, vegetable-based oils, and nuts.  They ate meat on average 2-3 a week when times were good, sometimes 2-3 a month. No, they weren't vegetarian (as I am) but they weren't chowing down on bacon for brekkie, a chicken breast for lunch, and steak for dinner because they couldn't.

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 8:26 AM CDT

Name: "Jenny"

HeartofGlass - people living in Southern Europe are not following a paleo lifestyle though, so I'm not sure what the relevance there is.


The truth is we don't actually know exactly how much meat paleo man ate on a daily basis because we weren't there. However, what researchers are pretty sure of is that paleo man were exceptional hunters - we hunted animals into extinction we were so good - and likely were consuming more meat than some modern populations do. The 'expensive tissue' hypothesis supports a higher meat intake too. Also, we can be sure that fruit was only available seasonally, and many modern fruits and veg are hybridized anyway. Besides all this, no one seems to acknowledge the many other things that changed when we started farming grains and milking cows - changes in activity level, increase in population sizes making disease more easily spread, that kind of thing. So the blame is based on grains and dairy for the so-called sudden increase in 'modern diseases' when it could be down to other things. Not to mention all the long-lived societies today that consume grains regularly - which kind of goes against the paleo mantra of 'grains are evil'. Also, research has been based on a limited number of specimens from the paleolithic period and modern hunter-gatherer societies - which, incidentally, been shown to have diets ranging from almost exclusively vegetarian to almost exclusively meat-based, and yet they're all very healthy and seem to be mostly free of the 'diseases of civilization'. Seems to me that the primary problems in the West are a sedentary population and excessive consumption (primarily made up of highly processed junk).

All to say, the concept that paleo nutrition is the be-all and end-all to good health is baloney, and most of the resources available in terms of health and longevity ('Good Calories Bad Calories,' 'The China Study,' 'The Paleo Diet,' to name a few) are very biased and highly selective in how the present the research.

It just boils down to eating more real food and eating less overall, but many authors insist on over-complicating this ($$$).

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 8:46 AM CDT

Name: skwigg
Home Page: http://skwigg.tripod.com

I think that's where I see the common ground in all the bickering.

People who eat natural whole foods are healthy. People who eat processed junk are not.

So, it kind of baffles me when healthy eaters with so much in common tear into each other over conflicting theories and studies. I mean, it can be fun to watch :-) but it amazes me how riled up everyone gets. I guess if your identity is tangled up in what you eat (and whose isn't to some degree?) then it becomes personal and passionate.

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 10:25 AM CDT

Name: "HeartofGlass"

@jenny--the point about the Med diet is relevant because most people didn't have access to massive amounts of meat protien, no matter how good they were at hunting, all year 'round. Even mostly hunter-based Native American tribes would make a buffalo last for a long time, and slowly consume it.

 

@skwigg--such passion around food isn't just with nutrition nuts--look at the passion some parents have when their school might ban peanut butter for kids with nut allergies, or the vehemance with which people embrace a certain 'magic' food (like spinach, oat bran, or bacon, depending on the decade). The truth is, most people who do listen to their bodies will eat many different ways throughout their lives--however, like you said, because it becomes part of their identity, it is threatening when, for example, someone who has just gotten fit and starts eating clean animal protien meets an athlete vegetarian--immediately that person wants to find 'the flaw' in their lifestyle, and secretly hopes the person will collapse in a heap of goo the next month.  Similiarly lots of vegetarians seem to hope meat eaters will get a heart attack/get ecoli poisoning to 'prove' them wrong.  Unfortunately, the human body is pretty sneaky, and except for eating too many calories than you burn of highly processed food, it's hard to find someone using a diet you oppose making that diet 'work' for them.

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 10:32 AM CDT

Name: "Beth"
Home Page: http://fitnessandfluff.blogspot.com/

I'm not calling any food off limits or declaring myself a follower of any diet.

I think that's the key right there, no matter how you choose to eat.  At least it's the key for me.  The minute I try to stuff myself into some sort of food box, I'm in trouble.  I need to know that I can eat whatever I choose.  As long as I have that knowledge I'm fine and can experiment.  It's all about freedom.

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 11:44 AM CDT

Name: "Jenny"

HeartofGlass wrote:

@jenny--the point about the Med diet is relevant because most people didn't have access to massive amounts of meat protien, no matter how good they were at hunting, all year 'round. Even mostly hunter-based Native American tribes would make a buffalo last for a long time, and slowly consume it.
 
This is the problem - how exactly do you know that 'most people' didn't have access to massive amount of meat protein? Quite simply, we don't know that. In fact, of modern hunter-gatherers, the Inuit rely heavily on animal protein as do the Masai (or at least did). Maybe the reason things are different for the Native American tribes you're referring to are due to migration patterns that don't necessarily affect other hunting societies (either due to non-migration or co-migration perhaps).

If anything, it is vegetation that was only available seasonally depending on your location.

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 12:05 PM CDT

Name: "Karen"

Did you eat eggs and soy during your "experiment?" Any chance you can share your meal plan approach? I know about your What I Eat page, just wondering if you randomly threw together meals based on whatever was in your fridge, or if you did some advance meal planning....? Did you live on banana tacos? :)

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 3:34 PM CDT

Name: "silvia "

Been offline for a while just checked in for a glance at the latest going on here. First off I LOVE  your blog! It is so much fun! Please don't ever stop, I think you should have a talk show : )

Second, has anyone ever heard of Shiritaki noodles? They are my new obsession they are made from a fibrous japanese yam, have about 2 carbs per serving, they LOWER your bad cholesterol, slow the absorbtion of sugar and have about 20 calories per serving. They are about a dollar thirty nine at whole foods and can be eaten out of the bag. Just warm them up. I have been eating pasta for breakfast, lunch and dinner. They were featured in last months Men's journal with some recipes. Thought I would spread the joy : ) 

Tuesday, 7 July 2009 - 5:02 PM CDT

Name: "Leya"
Home Page: http://dechubbing.blogspot.com

"In caveman terms, vegans are just bad hunters."

 LOL!  I just spit water all over my monitor.   I'm trying 30 days strict cavelady right now and I have to say only a week in that I'm feeling freaking fantastic.  I can't wait to see what 30 days will do.  I don't know if I'll ever do what you did and leave beast off the menu but I'm glad that you had such a great experience with it.

 

Sunday, 12 July 2009 - 2:52 PM CDT

Name: "Marsha"

I think I'm trending in a paleo direction without intending to.  I kind of wish I could be vegan (and I'm not sure why exactly), but I notice I do better in terms of energy and weight management if I eat some lean meat, too.

Monday, 13 July 2009 - 3:40 PM CDT

Name: "Hayley"
Home Page: http://www.hayleycepeda.wordpress.com

I'm so glad you attempted veganism for a month and then did a review of it.  I've become very sensitive to animals lately (not quite sure why because I've done minimal reading on it) and I've eaten pretty veganish myself.  I also realize that I'm feeling a million times better scarfing all these veggies down.  I still eat Chobani Greek yogurt (primarily because I bought a box of it from Costco) but I'm thinking of reading, "Skinny Bitch" and I've heard I won't touch dairy or any meat products after that.  I think you read it before, no?   Thanks again!!  I love your blog.  :)

Monday, 13 July 2009 - 4:41 PM CDT

Name: skwigg
Home Page: http://skwigg.tripod.com

Hayley - I have not read Skinny Bitch because the the excerpt I saw was scientifically borked, arm-flapping, finger-pointing hysteria by a couple of dingbats. I like plant eaters. I like sass mouth smart girls. I really wanted to like the books and wanted them to be hilarious and clever and something I could recommend, but it was all just too painfully dumb.

On the PLUS side, many people love their loud dumb tone and find it motivating in some way, and so more power to them. I guess if they can frighten, manipulate and annoy people into eating more whole foods and less fatty fake artery-jamming glop, that's probably a good thing.

Tuesday, 14 July 2009 - 4:08 PM CDT

Name: "Hayley"
Home Page: http://www.hayleycepeda.wordpress.com

Ahhh that's right!  Now I remember...and I think I remember that you weren't the only one who felt that way.  I decided I'd check the book out from the library, try reading it and if I don't like the tone of the book at all then I'm not going to bother reading the whole thing.  At least that way I know I won't have spent any money!  :)  Thanks for the reminder.

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