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Sunday, 21 June 2009
Fitness Bliss

There was a post somewhere, I think Leigh's blog again, where somebody sent in their own bikini photos along with pictures of Jessica Biel and Evangeline Lilly from LOST and said, "I want to look like them. What do I do? How much more do I need to lose?" And the surprising answer was that she was already leaner and more muscular than either one of them. She just couldn't see it. So, dieting more and training harder isn't always the answer. Female celebrities are tiny, no doubt, but they tend to carry less muscle and more fat than your average gym rat. So trying to bodybuild or crossfit your way to that physique doesn't necessarily produce the desired results.

I've only recently, like in the last year, acknowledged that bigger and leaner isn't always better. I admire bodybuilders and fitness competitors and I know the dedication involved. It's a beautiful thing if it's what you want, but it's an exercise in futility if your "ideal" is actually smaller and softer. I'm grateful to people like Valerie Waters and Leigh Peele for explaining the size/leanness thing in a way that my frazzled and obsessive brain could finally grasp.

I think I fall somewhere in the middle. I can't stick to the light weights and stretchy bands that celebrities like. I want to be functionally strong and able to do pull-ups and whatnot, but I'm not big on weight machines and heavy deadlifts anymore. I've found a nice groove with the TRX, Pilates, kettlebell, body weight stuff. It's very challenging, but the challenge doesn't come from always going heavier and heavier on the weights. And on the nutrition front, I see that it's not all about chicken and broccoli and six meals per day. If you want a bodybuilding/fitness look maybe it's still about that, but if you want to be a regular person who has nice tank top arms and can wear a bikini to the pool, you don't have to be quite such a spazzy freak about it. It's ok to just be happy.

Thoughts?


Posted by skwigg at 1:17 PM CDT
Updated: Sunday, 21 June 2009 1:28 PM CDT

Sunday, 21 June 2009 - 1:42 PM CDT

Name: "Jules"
Home Page: http://lolfitness.wordpress.com

Sounds damm good to me!

Sunday, 21 June 2009 - 1:47 PM CDT

Name: "Todd I. Stark"
Home Page: http://starkreal.blogspot.com/

For me the whole point is to enjoy the process and learn to set expectations that make you feel like you're accomplishing something and help you recognize what you've accomplished.  That isn't trivial.  All sorts of experts and authors insist that you set big goals and constantly improve your stats and people tend to take that for granted.  But those things are secondary.  They are important only for people who want to be elite competitive athletes or standout bodybuilders.  I think small victories are good for the most part.  Big expectations can lead to big discouragement for a lot of people over time.

Most people probably get most of the benefit of training from the growing sense of accomplishment and self-efficacy that comes from sticking with *something* rather than the specifics of the training program or the specifics of the progress they see. 

I train fairly hard for a geezer, so I get injured periodically and have to start over from time to time.  Rather than get discouraged, I've come to enjoy going back to variations of old routines and working through the progression schemes again, because they remind me what it took to get through them before, and give me a sense of accomplishment and optimism. 

It also helps to look back a few years and realize that I would be dead now in all likelihood if I hadn't taken the path I've taken, so the progress I see always puts me way ahead of the game. 

Finally, people differ in the degree that they are motivated by comparing themselves to other people.  Some of us get fired up by seeing someone doing well, others get discouraged.  You have to know which you are and focus on the things that motivate you over time.

Sunday, 21 June 2009 - 2:18 PM CDT

Name: "Todd I. Stark"
Home Page: http://starkreal.blogspot.com/

the surprising answer was that she was already leaner and more muscular than either one of them. She just couldn't see it. So, dieting more and training harder isn't always the answer.

Not only that, this is the core dynamic in the death spiral of hardcore anorexia:  distorted perception of body image (never thin enough), plus the only control they feel they have is with diet and exercise.  For about 10% or so with this pattern, it relentlessly pushes them to make themselves disappear.  What seems so healthy at first becomes a nightmare.

Sunday, 21 June 2009 - 2:22 PM CDT

Name: "stephanie "

well, while I think that you're onto something, and i've definitely come to a similar realization myself in recent months, I think that it's also important to acknowledge that the softer, smaller look also requires, for most people, a lot of dedication on the nutritional front. if you're not working with tons of muscle, but just with more..... you know, person.... then the softer/smaller look requires a genuine nutritional balancing act:  enough food to avoid starvation mode, not so much food that you don't lose any; enough cardio to burn some weight off, not so much that you make yourself really hungry and eat back what you need to leave off to lose. 

 

in other words, it requires as much discipline as the whole chicken/broccoli/deadlifts thing; it's just another kind of discipline. nietzsche would probably say it's the difference between the ascetic monk and the overman. lol! thoughts? 

Sunday, 21 June 2009 - 2:59 PM CDT

Name: "D"

 

I think that trying to make yourself look exactly like a celebrity (or anybody else for that matter) is an exercise in insanity. Yeah, I understand the whole everyone-has-a-different-preferred-body-type, etc. but saying that you want a celebrity's body is like my 5'3 self saying that I want to look like a 5'11 supermodel ...it just ain't gonna happen. Even if we ate the exact same thing and exercise the exact same way...forever and ever. 

Similarly, celebrities like jessica biel or evangeline lilly are famous...and part of the reason why they are famous is that they are genetically gifted. Yes, most still work out and eat healthy (or extreme diet or whatever) but comparing your body to someone else's body who is completely different will make you nuts. (It is like in plastic surgery when people bring in pictures of famous people's features...like "I want Angelina's lips and Jennifer's nose...yadda yadda yadda" It never looks they way it does on the celebrity and sometimes looks awful and freaky.) 

Personally, I store fat in my stomach but I have muscular legs and small breast no matter whether I gain or lose weight. Some of my friends are hour-glass-shaped and they gain/lose most of their weight in their boobs and hips. 

I try to go for the best my own body can look and try only to compare myself to myself. My body ideals change from time to time but I always apply them to how they will look on my body, not some celebrities body I can never attain.  

Sunday, 21 June 2009 - 5:29 PM CDT

Name: "Laurel"
Home Page: http://www.bootcampstogo.com

Well said! I have been struggling with that myself. I don't know if I should go back to lifting heavy and eating like a bodybuilder or do exercises I like and just modify my diet so I can still enjoy my life. This simple little blog just cleared everything up for me.

 

Thanks, Laurel

Sunday, 21 June 2009 - 6:41 PM CDT

Name: "Liimu"
Home Page: http://www.recreatingliimu.blogspot.com

So wild, but I have been really beating myself up occasionally about not being able to stick to "clean" eating and my quest for a dreambody (145 pounds and under 20% bodyfat). Then I recently realized that last year this time, I was 30 pounds heavier and would have given anything to wear the size 10 jeans that now fill my closet. Truth is, I'm so happy to be where I am instead of where I am. I still have a ways to go to feel like my body is truly bikini ready, but I no longer feel like I need to have the physique of a figure competitor in order to be happy.

 Loved your post!

Sunday, 21 June 2009 - 8:59 PM CDT

Name: "Kat A."

I am basically on board with the whole "Let a hundred flowers bloom, there are many paths to the moutaintop" approach, and with finding the path that feels right to oneself.  The only thing I would throw out there is that this all becomes considerably more difficult in/after one's fifties, when (at least in my experience) "dieting more and training harder" is, sadly, necessary just to maintain.   (My arms!  My beautiful, buff, Linda-Hamilton-In-Terminator arms!  They all all beflubbered, even though I am doing the same workouts I ever did!  WOE!)

Monday, 22 June 2009 - 9:49 AM CDT

Name: "Emma Ferraro"

as somebody who also wants the celebrity body type, i think part of the issue is confusion. im small built myself but am carrying extra weight from depriving myself and eating perfectly clean for too long and then bingeing for months and months. i think it gets way to complex when you have one expert (josh hillis for example) claiming that to get that body you MUST lift as heavy as possible with big lifts(squats, presses, ect) and another (valerie waters) advocations more isolation type stuff with lighter weights in a longer intense workout or else you would bulk up to much. so really, which one is it? how is one supposed to know? i find myself stuck between feeling my red carpet ready is not going to work because its too "frilly" to being scared to death that ill bulk up from my turbulence training. 

Monday, 22 June 2009 - 10:51 AM CDT

Name: "Tracey"

Wow, this post is really refreshing! I too am finding myself in this place as of late,not wanting to go the bodybuilding diet/ life style..but still wanting to be fit and healthy.
Like "Stephanie" said,this path requires it's own discipline. Does 1/2 cup low fat ice cream lead to two...where are the boundaries?? You need to learn to set your own parameters. This is the scary/hard part. The chicken and broccoli thing is safe,for just that reason. It's very clear and clean cut. This "real everyday woman just wanting to be fit lifestyle," is a much broader spectrum.  For some woman it could mean a vegan diet & yoga or the Zone diet and Crossfit. The interesting part though is that we all enjoy being healthy and fit.
I really like what "D" said about learning to make the best of the body you have. Wow,what a concept..think I should start to think about what that means.

Monday, 22 June 2009 - 10:58 AM CDT

Name: skwigg
Home Page: http://skwigg.tripod.com

Emma - The good news is that nothing is going to happen suddenly or accidentally. If you're gaining size you don't want, you'll notice it happening. It's not like you wake up one day and go, oh hell, I'm bulky. It takes months and years of hard training.

The conflict (or mild disagreement) between experts doesn't matter because it's totally your call which look you prefer, which training style you prefer, and how your body responds. It's not a matter of one trainer being right and another one wrong. It's more like choosing between Mint Chocolate Chip and Cookies & Cream, totally subjective decision! :-)

Josh is a hardcore Russian kettlebell instructor. His approach will likely add muscle (not necessrily size) and produce a lean, healthy, athletic look. The man can build curves, so if you've dieted yours off and you need to go from flabby and saggy to sporty and tight. I think his methods are right on.

Val is more of a girly girl, but she can kick the snot out of you with those little weights and crazy sliding lunges and planks. She's known for her ability to reduce muscle size instead of adding it. (I believe she helped Jessica Beil get smaller after Blade 3.) Her clients need to look incredible on screen - fit, healthy, sleek, toned, whatever you want to call it, but they can't look like they live in a gym if they're playing a non-gym-living character. Regular women seem to like that look and enjoy that training style too.

Craig Ballantyne's workouts could take you either way depending on which ones you do, how much you eat, and how much (if anything) you lift.  If you're doing his standard dumbbell and body weight fat loss workouts on a calorie deficit, you'll no doubt get smaller. If you're doing TT for Meatheads on a calorie surplus, you could add size/weight.

I've done workouts from all three of those trainers and enjoyed them at different times for different reasons. I love the variety. My advice is to do what you like, pay attention to your results, and if you're heading in the right direction, don't stress about it. 

Monday, 22 June 2009 - 7:41 PM CDT

Name: "Frankie"
Home Page: http://www.fifidangerfield.blogspot.com

I love this post.  You are SO right.

I keep thinking I  need to smash my body and eat six times a day to get the physique I want.  But I don't want to look like a figure competitor.  I just want to look 'good'.  I want to eat 'normally', not constantly stress out about how and when I'm going to fit in "meal 4".

I've kinda realised that to some extent lately and have been changing the way I eat and train so I can fit it in around my every day activities.  I have fibromyalgia so the intense exercise option is out of the question anyway, but now I don't feel so bad about it and know that I can adapt my diet and training around my symptoms (low carb and light cardio/weights seems to work the best so far in getting the fat burning).

 Anyway, thanks again for another great post.

Frankie

Tuesday, 23 June 2009 - 9:14 AM CDT

Name: skwigg
Home Page: http://skwigg.tripod.com

Here's a follow-up post to the bulky muscles debate:

The Ideal Female Body

I don't know if it's hilarious or horrifying that 61% of the women polled thought it would be "easy" or "very easy" to look like that pro bodybuilder by training in the gym.  ::forehead smack::

Tuesday, 23 June 2009 - 7:32 PM CDT

Name: "Kelley Moore"
Home Page: http://www.getfitwithkelley.blogspot.com

Skwigg, spot on as usual. I'm with some of these other folks wondering when you're going to write your own book. I'll be in line for the pre-order.

I loved what Liimu had to say in her comment. Instead of beating herself up over where she is not, she stepped back and reflected on where she is, and the progress she's made. I think that would serve us all well, to not only keep pushing toward a goal, but to take the time to review where we started and all the victories that got us here. Love it.

Wednesday, 24 June 2009 - 5:00 PM CDT

Name: "Glynis"
Home Page: http://glynis-sweats.blogspot.com

The whole photo thing says a lot about women & are body dysmorphia, doesn't it?  I read some blurb yesterday about Meg Fox panicking when she sees herself on film or in print.  Why are we so hard on ourselves?  I know when I'm PMSy that dysmorphic thing kicks in double-time.  I can't imagine what it must be like for people in the public eye constantly.  Ick.

 Right now I'm in the midst of a mini-epiphany.  For the longest time I was a runner first and did weight-training to compliment that.  After I ran a marathon & had my immune system go haywire for a while, I started balancing more between weights & running (or whatever cardio I was cross-training with).  Somewhere along the way I started listening to these eBook guys with their weight training programs who were always mocking the  "cardio bunnies" at the gym.  They said, "20 minutes of intervals a couple of days a week is all you need." and focused on lifting heavier weights.    Their programs promised that women should/could lift like men to achieve the body they wanted.  Well, these programs made by men meant a lot more upper body stuff than many women's anatomies can handle.  Now I'm dealing with numbness/tingling in my right hand (which is better than the agony it was in)...all because I lifted like a man and...got cervical radiculitis from overdeveloped pectorals and too many overhead lifts.  My doc has me sworn off of shoulder presses & the like, now he's added that I need to lay off pushups and flies for a while.  No plyometrics, either!  It's going to take some time for the muscle hypertrophy to dissipate and the pain to go away.  

 I was thinking "Oh, no! What do I do?" Because unlike some people, I *love* to work out.  I'm addicted to my own adrenalin and I just like moving.  So I started doing more cardio again, to fill in the time once spent doing all that upper body work...and I remembered, "Hey!  I LOVE THIS!"

 I don't care if I'll be one of those cardio bunnies at the gym.  Those eBook guys can sneer all they want.  I'm going to hit the trails, too, and work on improving my 10K speed....and I'm going to go on hours and hours of long bike rides with my husband. :)   It's all about having fun and living life healthy and strong anyway!

Thursday, 25 June 2009 - 4:42 AM CDT

Name: "Breena"

I feel like I've reached a happy medium - enjoying good food, working out yet being quite chilled about it. I don't want my cupboards stuffed with protein powder and meal replacement shakes like they were a year ago; give me a couple of scrambled eggs on wholewheat toast and topped with some delicious wild mushrooms. I still enjoy lifting, but at the same time, I have lost interest in my gym and instead I'm exploring new workouts i.e. bodyweight workouts, 100 push ups challenge etc.

I will be going travelling for 3 months in a matter of weeks; a year ago I'd be worrying about how I'd get my workouts in, 'clean' food to eat, but now I'm looking forward to enjoying food of different cultures and I figured hauling a backpack around and cycling will suffice ;-)

As a meat eater, I have been enjoying your blog regarding plant based meals. I don't think I could give up meat, but I have been enjoying meat free days, trying nut milks and green smoothies. I feel so much more free by getting more variety in my diet and workouts and I think that's why I feel so much better about it.

Incidentally, I believe in passing on good things; http://www.101cookbooks.com/archives/001567.html this veggie burger is fabulous and my meat loving boyfriend now prefers these. I made some yesterday and filled them with avocado, grilled aubergines and cress. Bueno!

S x

Saturday, 4 July 2009 - 1:16 AM CDT

Name: "Mary"

If Evangeline Lilly has less muscle and more fat than your average *anything*, I'm in the wrong place.  She looks like a bobblehead, she's so thin.  And she's got shoulder muscles and obliques that I couldn't have ever.  Is she 'softer'?  Softer than what, a baseball?  

Until we quit blogging about our menus and workouts and photographing our food, all the while proclaiming we're carefree and happy about our eating and body, we're just not there yet.  

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