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Skwigg Blog
Sunday, 30 March 2008
Define Bulky

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first time I heard the name Valerie Waters, somebody was asking me about this Hollywood trainer who was suggesting that women use 5-8lb dumbbells to avoid getting too big. My initial reaction was to double over giggling. I'm very mature that way. After all, women can't get too big. They don't have enough testosterone. How many times have we all heard or repeated that one? Here's the kicker. How big is too big? Everybody has a different ideal or goal. Sure, women can't get as big as pro bodybuilders without chemical assistance, but if they work hard and have the right genetics, can they get as big as the fairly muscular Monica Brant? Or the smaller but still ripped Jillian Michaels? Sure they can. What if that's not the look they want? What if they're striving for sleek and lean like Jessica Alba or Gwen Stefani? If you put a figure competitor's arms and quads on that person, they're not going to be happy. They WILL be too bulky. The disconnect isn't a matter of physiology but a matter of expectations and communication.

I caught Valerie Waters "Movie Star Fitness" seminar at FitcomXpo last week and she was brilliant. She's made a career out of creating a very specific look - fit arms, lean tight legs, great butt, small waist, visible ab lines, no jiggle, very feminine. It's what you see on her clients like Jennifer Garner and Kate Beckinsale. The look is not overly muscular, not hard and ripped, no 6-pack, no veins or striations, no bulk. It's the classic look of healthy actresses and models, not the starved skinny-fat look, but something elegant, lean and ultra-fit.

How do you achieve that? She recounted Alwyn Cosgrove asking a room full of fitness professionals if it's possible for women to get too big. They all said no. Then he asked, "What if a woman wanted to gain size. What would you have her do?" The crowd gave all the standard strength training advice. Then he asked, "Wait, you say they can't get too big but you know how to make them bigger? So, if they didn't want to gain size, what would you do differently?" Awkward silence, mumbling, crickets. The best most people could come up with was maybe to feed them less and have them do more cardio. Wrong answer. According to Valerie, the programming for movie star fitness is very specific.

By this point in the seminar, I totally GOT what she was saying. She's not crazy or misinformed. She's not in any way against strong athletic women. She's not trying to keep us dainty and weak, or to promote an unhealthy ideal. She's just found a very specific niche market and has mastered the ability to deliver results for them. I'd seen the jaw-dropping photos of her clients and I was on the edge of my seat wanting to know HOW she achieves this look. The foundation of her workouts is actually quite similar to other effective programs (like say Turbulence Training) that rely on total body workouts, minimized or eliminated rest periods, circuits or supersets, heart rate elevated the whole time. The difference is in how she loads the exercises and how she creates progression. She doesn't start heavy and go heavier. She increases difficulty by adding new exercises, more complex combinations, balance elements. She likes intense interval cardio for fat burning but doesn't use it exclusively. She'll also include some moderate cardio. She likes big compound movements that burn a lot of calories, but toward the end of a workout when fatigue is setting in, she'll include isolation movements like bicep curls. She also has some killer crazy moves that hardly anybody else uses. For example sliding reverse lunges that keep the muscle under constant tension for the whole set. Or planks where you alternate sliding one arm forward 6 inches, causing every muscle in your core to fire. She included a sample workout in her presentation and I tried it yesterday. It was a pain in the ass, literally. My butt doesn't know what hit it. I'll definitely be incorporating some of her moves into my own workouts. I can't wait to try sliding Spiderman climbs on my next TT workout!

Anyway, it gave me a new perspective. I'm as guilty as anybody of telling women that they can't bulk up without first asking them to define bulky. I know that my own fitness ideal changes all the time, so I can't presume to know what anybody else has in mind. Now I have a better understanding of what it takes for women to stay strong but small, or to lose a little muscle without starving, wrecking metabolism or turning to mush. If you want to learn more, check out her program, Red Carpet Ready, which by the way, I do NOT own. I'm trying to resist buying one more damn thing, but her routines are really creative with a killer emphasis on legs and glutes, so I imagine that it's only a matter of time before I cave. You can also visit her site ValerieWaters.com.


Posted by skwigg at 1:02 PM CDT

Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:05 PM CDT

Name: "Michelle"

I don't believe that woman on the left got that way naturally-I can smell the steroids from here!

Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:28 PM CDT

Name: "emi"

awesome post.

whoever is next to jessica alba has my idea of a perfect body. and jessica alba looks suprisingly tiny next to those other women. size is so relative.

Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:01 PM CDT

Name: "Michelle"

Interesting... how do her programs compare to Jillian's?  I have Making the Cut and it sounds similar to the programs Jillian wrote for that book from what you described.

Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:23 PM CDT

Name: "divaquest"

ahhhh... heading to Valerie now, sounds like my kinda look.  Thanks!

Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:12 PM CDT

Name: "Sara"

My vote goes to Jillian, as far as whose look I like the most. I know Alba's not skinny-fat, but she still can only have so much strength being so skinny--Jillian is slim and can obviously *do* things--open jars, carry furniture, hold open heavy doors, kick ass etc. That in itself is attractive, IMO. And I bet she looks a lot more petite in person--she is short and the camera does make people look bigger than they are.

Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:21 PM CDT

Name: "Steph"

Great post! I agree with Emi, Jillian Michaels is my fave from those pics but yeah, everyone has different ideals, goals and opinions about what looks good!

Take the distinction between female bodybuilding and figure or fitness competitors, the latter was designed for women who want a muscular figure yet retain a more feminine look. I'm actually training to compete in figure comp next year so I know just how hard it is for women to put on muscle. In my opinion, I'll only look bulky if I don't also strip off the layer of fat over the muscle! Valerie Waugaman (IFBB pro) is my role model but all my friends think she looks manly- each to their own!

Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:02 PM CDT

Name: "nichole"
Home Page: http://www.poweryogagirl.com

I totally didn't recognize Monica with that brunette hair! And the pro builder on the left? Eh..yeah that's my definition of "bulky" for sure. I have a feeling strength based yoga would really fit into valerie's hollywood program too. There is lots to be said for training the body in non "concentric" ways (strength during length)...ie that plank you described. A girl in my gym at Houston was just starting a "gliding" disc class right before I moved..too bad I never got to see it in action or partake.  

Monday, 31 March 2008 - 10:40 AM CDT

Name: "anonymous"

@#$%!! that book has been on my radar since Alwyn blogged it. When I finish NROL4W I either want to see that or Optimum Anabolics.... hmmmm.... I just want to say that I buy more STUFF because of this blog!

Monday, 31 March 2008 - 4:54 PM CDT

Name: "stephanie molina"

I just wanted to let you know that I FINALLY purchased TT, after reading about it on your blog for what seems like a year, but I had been waiting because I was doing Afterburn and didn't want to spend more money.  but I kept getting hurt with Afterburn (perhaps my fault with too heavy of weights) but after the last time the body-weight approch of TT seemed REALLY appealing and low-injury risk.

 I AM SO IN LOVE WITH IT... I am doing the 6 month body-weight program, I skipped the prep phase because I already lift regularly, and did the first week of phase one but found it to be too easy and boring... so I moved on to Phase II work outs this week, and THAT's what I'm talking about.  :)  I'm super happy... very challenging and through the third set I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make it but push myself through... perfect.  From here I'll be able to move on in the progression he suggests. 

 But I'm totally loving the variety of exercises, my joints and back are happy with losing the heavy weights I was going, and I'm still sore afterwards, not quite as painfully sore, but sore. 

It was soooo worth the investment, I can't wait to make it through the 6 months and see the improvements.

Monday, 31 March 2008 - 5:14 PM CDT

Name: "Dara Chadwick"
Home Page: http://darachadwick.typepad.com

Jillian's my fitness hero. I would love, love, love to have her train me one time. Working with a trainer really made a difference in my body during my year with Shape. It was about so much more than weight loss -- I learned all the things that I didn't know I didn't know about exercise and how it affects the body.

Monday, 31 March 2008 - 5:44 PM CDT

Name: "Glynis"
Home Page: http://glynisp.multiply.com

I love the way you put it all in perspective pictorially! 

 

In answer to another comment:  Women *can* get big like that without steroids - there are many "natural" female bodybuilders out there.  I know that my muscles tend to development more than I want them to and I really have to watch what I do because my legs are already like a linebackers. 


Jillian Michaels is just so awesome. :)

Monday, 31 March 2008 - 6:32 PM CDT

Name: "Kelly"
Home Page: http://www.kellyolexa.blogspot.com

Those pictures are incredible. FYI I went ahead and bought the eBook and I was rather dissappointed. I'm asking for the 100% guarantee refund. I skimmed through the entire thing and honestly, there just didn't seem (to me) to be one new or different thing in there that hasn't already been said. Bummer. But I'm sure I'll buy something else I see on your blog!!!  ;-)

Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 3:54 AM CDT

Name: "Sara"
Home Page: http://sanafit.blogspot.com

I was 'prescribed' those sliding lunges as part of my back rehab and I can vouch for them as one way to get astounding butt development.  The pain is worth it.

Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 11:18 AM CDT

Name: "Manny"
Home Page: http://mannyprietotraining.blogspot.com/

What Valerie said reminded me of the comment I left in the American Gladiators post about how I thought it was ridiculous that people would actually think that a woman like Valerie Waugaman could be too muscular.  There really isn't a universal standard as to how much muscle is too much - what I might think is just fine might be way too much for someone else.  As someone who always cared more about performance than subjective aesthetics, this was a real eye-opener.

What did you think of the rest of Fitcomxpo? 

Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 12:49 PM CDT

Name: "Tara"
Home Page: http://www.jdmaxfitness.com

Hey Renee,

thanks so much for the great post. i have been struggling with this issue myself. as a trainer i have read and repeated millions of times the "it's just not possible" line. however depending on my workouts i have seen myself going in that direction which is very frustrating. i have read tons of boards and blogs encouraging me to go heavy heavy heavy. but honestly i like my results better when i do the circuit until your purple type workouts. thanks for the link, i will check it out.

also, while i am here any chance you can give a good description of the difference in lean v. bulky effects of food. i know it's true, i have seen it happen to me, but i cant understand the science behind fruits and veggies filled with water allowing my to lean out while breads and other complex healthy carbs blow me up. is it a sodium issue????

 

thanks!

Tara

Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 1:18 PM CDT

Name: skwigg

Manny - I'm barely getting started at FitcomXpo. The presentations will be available for three months. So far I've gone to Alwyn, Valerie and Craig Ballantyne. Haven't caught John Berardi yet. I'm looking forward to Mark Verstegen and Mike Boyle. There are a couple of kettlebell seminars I intend to check out. I'll be sure to keep reporting on my finds. :-)

Tara - my take on the lean out / swell up phenomenon is that fruits and vetetables are mainly fiber and water. They have a high potassium content and a natural diuretic effect. Bread, pasta, boxed rice, cereal bars, high-sodium processed carbs have the double-whammy of causing you to retain water from the sodium, and because they're so calorie and carb-dense causing you to pack away more glycogen/water. Some people also have a weirdly puffy reaction to wheat. Not that you can't lose weight eating bread six times a day. If there's a consistent calorie deficit, you'll lose. It's just that it happens faster and the results are more readily apparent if your diet is high in leafy, watery produce.

Thursday, 3 April 2008 - 7:23 AM CDT

Name: "Julie"

I agree.  This is a great post.  I struggle with this.  I absolutely do not want to get bulky.  I would love to know what the perfect workout (and diet) is for a lean, muscular body, aka Jillian Michaels (or even Jessica Alba).  I just feel like it's a constant battle.  Anyway, thanks again for this post.

Thursday, 3 April 2008 - 10:20 AM CDT

Name: "Courtney"

Yeah, I bought Red Carpet Ready and there is absolutely nothing in it I haven't seen numerous times on Shape, Self, etc.  (Other than her Val-slides :P ).

Saturday, 19 April 2008 - 8:38 AM CDT

Name: "Julie O."

This is one of the most helpful articles I have read - thank you so much.  It's been hard for me to know what I"m going for, besides losing the divorce weight, dropping body fat and building muscles so they show.  This article helped me focus my goals.  This really is a science, not some random chance event, like I used to believe.  I talked to my trainer and we developed a sculpty core and legs thing to add to the intervals and the lifting.  The pictures helped a lot too.  thanks. 

 

-Julie 

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