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Monday, 24 July 2006
All Those Calories

Ok, the calorie issue. I keep hearing things like - You eat HOW much? Am I supposed to eat that much? Are you kidding me?

People tend to undereat for their activity level. They have some idea in their head about what they're supposed to eat and they won't let themselves go any higher. For most women, the magic numbers are somewhere in the 1200-1700 range. They get stuck there and that's how much they eat, for like decades. Never mind how brutal their workouts become or how many hours of cardio they're doing; they push their little salads around with their forks and complain about how they gain weight if they even look at food. Well, duh, that's because you're starving. Starving people gain weight when food suddenly becomes available. That's how they're going to make it through the famine.

You'd think that if you were undereating you'd lose weight, but that's not what happens. If you routinely fail to eat enough calories to meet your energy expenditure, your expenditure gradually becomes lower. The number of calories your body burns in a day drops to meet the amount you're actually eating. That's how I got myself into my original eating disordered predicament of gaining weight on anything over 800 calories a day. I kept cutting calories lower, and my metabolism kept dropping until it fell through the floor and died. If you'd told me back then that I would one day maintain on 2300+ calories a day with a couple of 3000-4000 calorie free days per week, I probably would have fainted. Of course, back then if I moved fast I fainted.

Note that the opposite is also true, if you routinely eat MORE than you burn, your metabolism increases to compensate for the surplus. That's why most nutrition programs include refeeds, cheat days, or zig-zags in calories. If you eat the same amount every day, you'll stall.

You also have to consider what and when you're eating. One person might maintain on 2,000 calories a day of mainly cereal, sandwiches, protein bars, and pasta dishes spread pretty evenly throughout the day. Another person with the exact same size and activity level might maintain on 3,500 calories a day of mainly lean beef, chicken, fish, egg whites, fruits, vegetables, and healthy fats. Perhaps they include a complete lean protein with every meal and try to keep the bread and cereal to post-workout or early in the day. The big eater is choosing foods that are more costly to digest (thermic effect of food and all that), and timing/combining meals for maximum effect. The typical eater is choosing foods that don't have much impact on the metabolism and are easily stored as fat, and is eating them sort of willy-nilly throughout the day. So, if that person were to suddenly add an extra thousand calories a day of Wheaties, turkey sandwiches, pasta salad, and fruit roll-ups, of course they'd start gaining fat. But if they'd bring their calories up by only 200 or so a week and start emphasizing lean protein and high-fiber whole foods. Their metabolism would gradually ramp up to meet the new intake.

I talk to a lot of people who want to eat more, but they have some kind of a mental breakdown if they gain one or two pounds. If they gain three pounds, forget it, they're right back to their little elf portions. If you've been chronically undereating for years and you start to bring the calories up, of course you're going to gain something at first - muscle, glycogen, water, even a little fat. Remember, the scale is worthless for telling you what it is that you're gaining or losing. Who knows, maybe at the end of two weeks you'd still be up three pounds but your tape measurements or caliper pinches would be the same or down. If you're trying to bring your calories up, give it enough time to work, and use something other than scale weight to measure your progress.

Posted by skwigg at 1:45 AM CDT

Monday, 24 July 2006 - 6:18 AM CDT

Name: "Jen"

I second and third the "Skwigg on commission" thing ;) Mine arrived in the post over the weekend. So far, I've lost 3lbs of fatty fat fat! :D

 Quick question though - if I work out 3 times a day, do I get to eat startchy (ie non-veggie) carbs 3 times a day too? If so - hooray for exercise! :)

Monday, 24 July 2006 - 6:21 AM CDT

Name: "marathonP"

Thanks for the response.  More cleaner food...my food can't get any cleaner since I'm eating egg whites and fish all day, with fruits and veggies.  Time to eat more.   Thanks Skwigg, I'll give it a shot.

 phil

Monday, 24 July 2006 - 9:50 AM CDT

Name: skwigg

"Jen" wrote:

I second and third the "Skwigg on commission" thing ;) Mine arrived in the post over the weekend. So far, I've lost 3lbs of fatty fat fat! :D

 Quick question though - if I work out 3 times a day, do I get to eat startchy (ie non-veggie) carbs 3 times a day too? If so - hooray for exercise! :)


Woohoo! I'm also down a couple of pounds this week, and I wasn't even trying to lose anything! It feels like I'm eating more than ever, but it is conceivable that I do actually need to jack my calories up closer to 3,000 on workout days if I'm eating this clean.

And yes, if you exercise more than once a day you get starchy carbs each time.

Monday, 24 July 2006 - 2:56 PM CDT

Name: "Troye"
Home Page: http://Yahoo

Hi Skwigg,

Your article came at a very crucial time for me. I am a 37yr old female doing the BFL challenge, on day 18. In desperation, inspiration & aspiration I am blasting about 500 calories worth at the gym 6 days a week. I am one of those people who has been fat all their lives apart for 3 'good starving 'years + gym. I have been eating about 600 cals a day and have been refered to your article by one of the BFL buddys as I need to eat at least 5 healthy meals a day for the programme to succeed. It is not easy when one has been brow beaten that the more you eat the fatter you get. As of today I am increasing my food intake with exceptional difficulty. Cheers Troye

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 9:10 AM CDT

Name: "anonymous"

I'd love to hear your take on the new "skinny" jeans that are everywhere.  I remember wearing these back in high school and I don't think I had an actual meal in high school. I think the only people that can actually wear them are Paris & Nicole if we taped them together. I'm thinking your caloric intake for a day might be theirs for a week unless they decide to split an M&M and go over.

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 1:50 PM CDT

Name: "Michelle"

Hi!

I recently got a membership to 24 Hour Fitness.  I decided to take advantage of there 5 free personal training sessions.. Well here are my results:  Weight 167 lbs, Fat Mass: 49.1, Lean Body Mass:  117.9. 

After all that they decided that my solution would be to have 20 % Protein, 60% Carbs and 20% Fat.

 My meal plan turned out to be:

Meal 1

2 Cups of Cheerios and 2 Cups of Soy Milk

Or

5 Graham Crackers, 1 Cup of Yogurt and 1 Cup of Soy Milk

Meal 2

Apex Protein cookie and 1 Large Apple

Meal 3

Tuna Salad Sandwich (3 oz), 1 Cup of Chicken Noodle Soup, and 1 oz of Pringles Fat Free Potato chips.

Meal 4

APex Bar cookie Dough, and 1 Cup of apple Sauce

Meal 5

Spaghetti (1 Cup), 1 Cup of tofu, and 1 cup of carrots

Too me, of course it sounds like a lot, and I just started on my second day and I am totally full... I am not sure if this is the right way of eating because I am so use to the BFL program.  I am use to eating the "elf" portions!  What do you think about the above meals?  Do they sound pretty reasonable?  Help!

 Michelle

 

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 3:00 PM CDT

Name: skwigg

"Michelle" wrote:

Hi!

I recently got a membership to 24 Hour Fitness.  I decided to take advantage of there 5 free personal training sessions.. Well here are my results:  Weight 167 lbs, Fat Mass: 49.1, Lean Body Mass:  117.9. 

After all that they decided that my solution would be to have 20 % Protein, 60% Carbs and 20% Fat.

 My meal plan turned out to be:

Meal 1

2 Cups of Cheerios and 2 Cups of Soy Milk

Or

5 Graham Crackers, 1 Cup of Yogurt and 1 Cup of Soy Milk

Meal 2

Apex Protein cookie and 1 Large Apple

Meal 3

Tuna Salad Sandwich (3 oz), 1 Cup of Chicken Noodle Soup, and 1 oz of Pringles Fat Free Potato chips.

Meal 4

APex Bar cookie Dough, and 1 Cup of apple Sauce

Meal 5

Spaghetti (1 Cup), 1 Cup of tofu, and 1 cup of carrots

Too me, of course it sounds like a lot, and I just started on my second day and I am totally full... I am not sure if this is the right way of eating because I am so use to the BFL program.  I am use to eating the "elf" portions!  What do you think about the above meals?  Do they sound pretty reasonable?  Help!

 Michelle

 


Wow, it's like they read my "swell up" menu and printed you a copy. Personally, I would RUN from anybody trying to feed me Cheerios, graham crackers, bread, and Pringles on a daily basis. Are they serious? Pringles???

I think I'd say "thanks, but no thanks" to their nutrition plan. Just smile and nod and back away slowly.

BFL meals at least have high-quality lean protein and whole food carbs. If the protein portion is there, then you can always expand the fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and healthy fats to bring your overall calories up. However, at no point do you want to expand your Pringle and Cheerio consumption.

Just for fun, check the plan they give you against the 7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutrition Programs:

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/7habits.htm 

Plans like BFL, Burn the Fat, Leannes Lifestyle, and even The Zone and South Beach can easily be adjusted to fit all 7 criteria. The plan they gave you only meets 1 out of the 7. They got the 5-8 frequent meals right.

Now could you lose weight doing that plan? Sure, if it created a calorie deficit you probably could lose scale weight, maybe a lot of scale weight. The problem is that it's not very favorable to actually overhauling your body composition. It's too low in protein to support muscle recovery, too high in junky processed carbs to maximize your fat loss, and it's way short in fruits and vegetables you need for optimum health. Where are the berries, spinach, broccoli, tomatoes and melon? Where are the quality carbs like oats, beans, and yams? And I don't see any healthy fat at all. You'd need some olive oil, avocado, nuts, and fish. 

I don't mean to come accross as negative or discouraging. And I'm definitely not trying to imply that you should never eat bread or cereal or pasta. I'm just genuinely stunned that they're handing out meal plans that look like that. Stunned! Having done BFL, I'll bet you could already come up with meals that are more satisfying and effective. Here are my ideas:

Meal 1

veggie omelet and a big serving of melon, berries, and kiwifruit

Or

1 cup high-fiber cereal, half a pint of berries, 1 cup soy milk, and either lean ham, veggie sausage, or a whey protein shake

Meal 2

cottage cheese, berries, nuts, sweetened w/Splenda

or

turkey slices, almonds, grapes, baby carrots

or

cold chicken, almonds, cherries, apricots

or

veggie burger or tuna salad, apple wedges or celery sticks dipped in peanut butter

Meal 3

tuna or chicken breast on a HUGE salad with spinach and lots of veggies, nuts or seeds, olive oil and vinegar dressing, a piece of fruit

Meal 4

protein shake with whey protein, flax oil, a banana, and lots of frozen berries

Meal 5

steak, potato, asparagus, side salad

Meal 6

yogurt and chocolate whey protein stirred together with sliced banana

Anyway, you get the idea. I'll try to contain myself now. :-)

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 3:32 PM CDT

Name: "Michelle"

skwigg wrote:
"Michelle" wrote:

Hi!

I recently got a membership to 24 Hour Fitness.  I decided to take advantage of there 5 free personal training sessions.. Well here are my results:  Weight 167 lbs, Fat Mass: 49.1, Lean Body Mass:  117.9. 

After all that they decided that my solution would be to have 20 % Protein, 60% Carbs and 20% Fat.

 My meal plan turned out to be:

Meal 1

2 Cups of Cheerios and 2 Cups of Soy Milk

Or

5 Graham Crackers, 1 Cup of Yogurt and 1 Cup of Soy Milk

Meal 2

Apex Protein cookie and 1 Large Apple

Meal 3

Tuna Salad Sandwich (3 oz), 1 Cup of Chicken Noodle Soup, and 1 oz of Pringles Fat Free Potato chips.

Meal 4

APex Bar cookie Dough, and 1 Cup of apple Sauce

Meal 5

Spaghetti (1 Cup), 1 Cup of tofu, and 1 cup of carrots

Too me, of course it sounds like a lot, and I just started on my second day and I am totally full... I am not sure if this is the right way of eating because I am so use to the BFL program.  I am use to eating the "elf" portions!  What do you think about the above meals?  Do they sound pretty reasonable?  Help!

 Michelle

 


Wow, it's like they read my "swell up" menu and printed you a copy. Personally, I would RUN from anybody trying to feed me Cheerios, graham crackers, bread, and Pringles on a daily basis. Are they serious? Pringles???

I think I'd say "thanks, but no thanks" to their nutrition plan. Just smile and nod and back away slowly.

BFL meals at least have high-quality lean protein and whole food carbs. If the protein portion is there, then you can always expand the fruits and vegetables, whole grains, and healthy fats to bring your overall calories up. However, at no point do you want to expand your Pringle and Cheerio consumption.

Just for fun, check the plan they give you against the 7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutrition Programs:

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/7habits.htm 

Plans like BFL, Burn the Fat, Leannes Lifestyle, and even The Zone and South Beach can easily be adjusted to fit all 7 criteria. The plan they gave you only meets 1 out of the 7. They got the 5-8 frequent meals right.

Now could you lose weight doing that plan? Sure, if it created a calorie deficit you probably could lose scale weight, maybe a lot of scale weight. The problem is that it's not very favorable to actually overhauling your body composition. It's too low in protein to support muscle recovery, too high in junky processed carbs to maximize your fat loss, and it's way short in fruits and vegetables you need for optimum health. Where are the berries, spinach, broccoli, tomatoes and melon? Where are the quality carbs like oats, beans, and yams? And I don't see any healthy fat at all. You'd need some olive oil, avocado, nuts, and fish. 

I don't mean to come accross as negative or discouraging. And I'm definitely not trying to imply that you should never eat bread or cereal or pasta. I'm just genuinely stunned that they're handing out meal plans that look like that. Stunned! Having done BFL, I'll bet you could already come up with meals that are more satisfying and effective. Here are my ideas:

Meal 1

veggie omelet and a big serving of melon, berries, and kiwifruit

Or

1 cup high-fiber cereal, half a pint of berries, 1 cup soy milk, and either lean ham, veggie sausage, or a whey protein shake

Meal 2

cottage cheese, berries, nuts, sweetened w/Splenda

or

turkey slices, almonds, grapes, baby carrots

or

cold chicken, almonds, cherries, apricots

or

veggie burger or tuna salad, apple wedges or celery sticks dipped in peanut butter

Meal 3

tuna or chicken breast on a HUGE salad with spinach and lots of veggies, nuts or seeds, olive oil and vinegar dressing, a piece of fruit

Meal 4

protein shake with whey protein, flax oil, a banana, and lots of frozen berries

Meal 5

steak, potato, asparagus, side salad

Meal 6

yogurt and chocolate whey protein stirred together with sliced banana

Anyway, you get the idea. I'll try to contain myself now. :-)


Hey!

Thanks for all the great advice on this.  I was going crazy thinking about the consumption of all that food!  Yikes!  I definitely did not like the idea of adding cheerios and pringles to my diet.  I think they are a free day thing!

 I totally appreciate all your input!  Swelling up is not what I want to do defintely!  Especially with an 7 hour a day sit down job.

Michelle

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 4:04 PM CDT

Name: "Jennifer"

Oooh, like the new Tripod posting system. 

So, I now have a folder on my hard drive called "Skwigg" that is dedicated to all my favourite posts because it's just getting to the point where I have so many, I have to save them now in a central place so I can read them when I feel like it.

I've always struggled with the calorie issue (more...?  less...?) so this was again another good reminder to quit entertaining the idea of starving myself.   I have some friends that barely eat all day and I have to admit look not too bad.  They still fit into size 4 jeans and I'm working out like a madwoman just to stay out of the double-digit sizes.   *sigh*  

Thanks again.  I really look forward to your posts as they give me a regular dose of inspiration, advice, common sense and humour.

We think you are most fabulous!

 

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 4:52 PM CDT

Name: "Charlotte"

skwigg wrote:
"Jen" wrote:

I second and third the "Skwigg on commission" thing ;) Mine arrived in the post over the weekend. So far, I've lost 3lbs of fatty fat fat! :D

 Quick question though - if I work out 3 times a day, do I get to eat startchy (ie non-veggie) carbs 3 times a day too? If so - hooray for exercise! :)


Woohoo! I'm also down a couple of pounds this week, and I wasn't even trying to lose anything! It feels like I'm eating more than ever, but it is conceivable that I do actually need to jack my calories up closer to 3,000 on workout days if I'm eating this clean.

And yes, if you exercise more than once a day you get starchy carbs each time.

Hey Skiwgg and Jen - what "starchy carbs" are allowed by JB? I usually eat 1/2 c scrambled egg whites and  a piece of whole grain toast after working out in the morning (1 hr plus of intense running). Heresy or okay, you think?

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 6:21 PM CDT

Name: skwigg

Hey Skiwgg and Jen - what "starchy carbs" are allowed by JB? I usually eat 1/2 c scrambled egg whites and  a piece of whole grain toast after working out in the morning (1 hr plus of intense running). Heresy or okay, you think?

Things like beans, oats, rice, lentils, sweet potatos, etc. are preferred starchy carbs. You want whole food whenever possible. However, his post-workout meals include recipes for Chicago deep dish pizza and s'mores bars. So, I don't think he'd totally wig over a piece of whole grain toast. He says if you want to eat bread, pasta, rice, and sugar, you should do it in the hour or two after exercise.

He also approves of sports drinks with simple sugar during and immediately after exercise, things like Gatorade. You need protein with them though. He recommends a 2 to 1 carb to protein ratio. So if you had 40g of simple sugar you'd also need 20g of a fast-digesting protein like whey.

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 7:55 PM CDT

Name: "YYNM"

PRECISION NUTRITION question for Skwigg

Okay, you've passed your gollum like facination with this fancy nutrtion program to me. Me wants it.... and that after swearing I don't need no more stinkin' nutrition programs.  My nutrition has steadily gotten worse and worse.  I am justifying things like baked Doritos way too much.  And of course we are STUCK, despite rolling three days a week, doing circuits 4 and walking a lot. 

But I must know--what is the PN philosophy when it comes to free meals/days?  I don't know that I can forgo those!

K...

Tuesday, 25 July 2006 - 8:26 PM CDT

Name: skwigg

"YYNM" wrote:

PRECISION NUTRITION question for Skwigg

Okay, you've passed your gollum like facination with this fancy nutrtion program to me. Me wants it.... and that after swearing I don't need no more stinkin' nutrition programs.  My nutrition has steadily gotten worse and worse.  I am justifying things like baked Doritos way too much.  And of course we are STUCK, despite rolling three days a week, doing circuits 4 and walking a lot. 

But I must know--what is the PN philosophy when it comes to free meals/days?  I don't know that I can forgo those!

K...


Ideally, you're eating according to plan 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time you can have whatever you want. So, if you're eating six meals a day, seven days a week, that's 42 meals total. That gives you about four meals (10%) to do whatever you want. He calls these 10% meals or 10% foods. He has mentioned that he's fond of large pizzas and Dairy Queen Blizzards. So, you definitely don't have to give up all your favorite goodies. You just have to far outweigh them with healthier choices.

Wednesday, 26 July 2006 - 2:31 PM CDT

Name: "Ali"

Hi, Skwigg! Thanks for the fabulous blog :D

PN question - I've been reading JB's articles since you metnioned them, trying to decide to buy PN or not. I tried having my starchy carbs only after my wo (protein with veg and/or fruit the rest of the day), but that left me feeling carb-crazed. Is there a way to do PN with more starchy carbs during the day? I've been jonzing after the program, but am not sure I'd be able to stick with it if I understood it correctly (protein with fruit/veg each meal and add starchy carbs to  post-workout meals only).  I'd been feelling really, really excited about PN (your Gollum and ring comparrison really fits!) until I tried that a couple of days and failed miserably after feeling insame for starchy carbs.

Thanks!

Ali

Wednesday, 26 July 2006 - 9:58 PM CDT

Name: skwigg

"Ali" wrote:

Hi, Skwigg! Thanks for the fabulous blog :D

PN question - I've been reading JB's articles since you metnioned them, trying to decide to buy PN or not. I tried having my starchy carbs only after my wo (protein with veg and/or fruit the rest of the day), but that left me feeling carb-crazed. Is there a way to do PN with more starchy carbs during the day? I've been jonzing after the program, but am not sure I'd be able to stick with it if I understood it correctly (protein with fruit/veg each meal and add starchy carbs to  post-workout meals only).  I'd been feelling really, really excited about PN (your Gollum and ring comparrison really fits!) until I tried that a couple of days and failed miserably after feeling insame for starchy carbs.

Thanks!

Ali


How big have your carb portions been? Even though you're limiting the starchy/processed stuff, you can have as many fruit/veg carbs as you want or need - whole melons, pints of berries, several pieces of fruit, huge salads, buckets of grapes or bing cherries. You can also have starchy carbs anytime you exercise: go to the gym - get starchy carbs, go for a walk or jog - get starchy carbs, play a game of tennis- get starchy carbs, go to power yoga class - have some starchy carbs. Most of the time I get them at least 2-3 times a day.

It's a combination of moving more often and eating bigger portions of the fruit/veg carbs. And of course you can always fudge it and eat starchy carbs whenever you want. The food is so clean that it's probably still a step up for most people. As you individualize it based on goals and results, you may find that you could add starchy carbs to more meals. The basic template isn't set in stone; it's where you start.

Thursday, 27 July 2006 - 4:38 PM CDT

Name: "anonymous"

skwigg wrote:


... Most of the time I get them at least 2-3 times a day.

... The basic template isn't set in stone; it's where you start.

Thanks so much for your feedback, Skwigg! I'm adding lots more fruits and veggies when I feel I need more carbs now - and hey, more incentive to workout to get those starchy carbs in my day is always a good thing, too! ;)

I made sure I clicked through from your blog when I ordered my copy - I didn't whether you do or not, but I hope you get a commission! :D I can't wait till it comes and have been reading JB's articles. It's so cool to be feeling fired up about eating cleaner again!

Friday, 4 August 2006 - 12:12 PM CDT

Name: "Diane"

Okay, now I want PN.  You do have a way of sucking me with your enthusiasm.  Realistically for me though, I can't spend another $100 on something when I'm still paying for last year's shopping sprees.  So is there a compromise?  How is John Berardi's cookbook alone?  Is the food tasty?  More importantly, does it take someone with an extra hour and a degree in nutrition to prep the meals?  I like fast and easy, plus excellent tasting.  I don't like looking for some weird ingredient at the grocery store, something that I'll only use once than proceed to let it rot in my cupboard for the next 10 years.  I want fast, healthy and tasty meals. 

 Of course I should be a pro at this, over the years I've spent a small fortune (that I'm likely still paying for) on cookbooks.  So far, nothing on my shelf is well loved and often used.

 

 

Wednesday, 9 August 2006 - 7:19 PM CDT

Name: "skwigg"

"Diane" wrote:

Okay, now I want PN.  You do have a way of sucking me with your enthusiasm.  Realistically for me though, I can't spend another $100 on something when I'm still paying for last year's shopping sprees.  So is there a compromise?  How is John Berardi's cookbook alone?  Is the food tasty?  More importantly, does it take someone with an extra hour and a degree in nutrition to prep the meals?  I like fast and easy, plus excellent tasting.  I don't like looking for some weird ingredient at the grocery store, something that I'll only use once than proceed to let it rot in my cupboard for the next 10 years.  I want fast, healthy and tasty meals. 

 Of course I should be a pro at this, over the years I've spent a small fortune (that I'm likely still paying for) on cookbooks.  So far, nothing on my shelf is well loved and often used.


You can get a pretty good grasp of the program just by reading the nurtition articles on his site (especially 7 Habits and Tailor Made Nutrition) and downloading The Gourmet Nutrition e-book, which is $20-something compared to $97. The food is tasty and clean and there's a lot of variety. I don't know it it would fall into the "well loved and used often" category, but since I'm a cooking dolt, it gave me tons of new ideas. I've found the recipes to be clear and easy. He assumes that you're in a hurry, have no clue, and that you're starting this whole gourmet kitchen thing from scratch.

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